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Naturalism is self-defeating
- Tell me, in practice, how we divide a supernatural claim from a natural one? We cannot. This is why 2000 years ago thunder was supernatural, and it only became natural when we could explain it. Ofcourse "it was natural all the time", but this is beside the point. As a human you recognise we are inside the experience. We don't have the benefit of hindsight in decisions we will make today. This is why the only thing relevant is the mechanic by which we can separate natural from supernatural. We only have one - explanation.
- Mar, 19 2014 12:42pm

Atheism is fundamentally extremely...
- Nono, you are still misunderstanding. My argument isn't about the absence of religion. Absence of religion does not equal atheism. I am talking about the claim that God does not exist. You don't get a claim that God does NOT exist, through the mere absence of religion. The claim that God does not exist carries certain systemic doctrines, such as, there is no authority greater than myself, there is no other objective good than of reproduction. This is what is dangerous about atheism, it implies these things positively.
- Mar, 19 2014 12:38pm

Atheism is fundamentally extremely...
- You could argue this, AT, but it is not relevant to my argument, as in this discussion i am comparing natural theism to atheism. Ofcourse, you can create a religion where it is good to be bad, like satanism, but we are comparing fundamental theism to atheism. In defense of Christianity though, whether you agree or not, the fundamentals still apply. Even if a certain doctrine is misunderstood (like killing gays or whatever), the person who believes in God still has cause to check and recheck, knowing their actions could have eternal implications. No such countermeasure exists in atheism. I could even argue that atheism is more dangerous than fundamental islam for these kind of reasons.
- Mar, 19 2014 12:31pm

Atheism is fundamentally extremely...
- no, it doesnt at all. please look again and address the actual argument rather than fabricating your own. otherwise look at my PREVIOUS response to YOU in which i addressed the very points you are making now.
- Mar, 19 2014 03:13am

Atheism is fundamentally extremely...
- my argument is what it is. you aren't addressing my argument. believing in god provides positive reasons to be good - doesn't necessarily mean a person will follow them. but believing in atheism and all its systemic doctrines does provide a positive reason to be bad, while diminishing any potential for objective good. For the rest, you are living in the afterglow of Christianity. People need to discover the limits of atheism, like the people did in soviet russia, nazi concentration camps or pol pots regime. You are taking societal norms, all implemented by one religion or another, for granted.
- Mar, 19 2014 03:08am

Atheism is fundamentally extremely...
- is it even worth responding? i am the owner of these arguments. those are my debates. in my debate.com profile you can see "Otherwise known as phukyanks from ebw". Calling me blind? Goodness.
- Mar, 19 2014 03:03am

Naturalism and free will cannot co-exist
- Moderator do please do NOT delete this blog, i have just copy/paste from debate.org, but i am the owner of those arguments as you can see in my profile: About me : "Otherwise known as phukyanks from ebw"https://www.debate.org/andymcstab/
- Mar, 19 2014 03:02am

Atheism is fundamentally extremely...
- Moderator do please do NOT delete this blog, i have just copy/paste from debate.org, but i am the owner of those arguments as you can see in my profile: About me : "Otherwise known as phukyanks from ebw"https://www.debate.org/andymcstab/
- Mar, 19 2014 02:50am

Atheism is so irrational
- There aren't just two possibilities though, are there. There are people who believe, people who don't know, and people believe the contrary - ie there is no God.I am not going to go around in circles, you really aren't worth the time. You wont acknowledge my arguments, you just do your best impression of a scratched record. Enjoy yourself. Reasonable people recognise reason, those are people worthy of time.
- Mar, 19 2014 01:55am

Atheism is so irrational
- My argument is that you have no substantiation of atheism. No one is saying that the fine tuning of the universe "proves", God. But a design does implicate a designer. I am wondering on what basis you have inferred that there is no designer?Again, you are trying to merge with agnosticism. Its just so intellectually dishonest. You are such a loud mouth but you cannot defend any position further than "i have non belief in God". Never mind that this is completely inconsistent with how you behave and speak to people who believe in God. You know, actions speak louder than words. All you are saying by acting one way then claiming another so you dont have to defend yourself, is "im dishonest. im dishonest. im dishonest. im dishonest."
- Mar, 19 2014 01:50am

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